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Friday, August 10, 2012

My Employer Says I Have To Resign. What Should I Do?

Suzanne Lucas, the not-at-all-evil Evil HR Lady at CBS Money Watch, wrote an interesting piece about being forced to resign, and I wanted to talk some more about this important issue here. I get this issue all the time. People come to me and say, “I was forced to resign.” Huh? How did the employer do that? Gun to head? Torture devices? Kidnapped loved one? Because your employer can’t make you quit. Quitting is entirely, 100%, up to you.

Just because your boss or HR comes to you and says you have to resign, doesn’t mean you should. My usual advice is never, ever resign unless you have another job lined up or the company offers you an incentive to resign that makes it worth your while.

Suzanne Lucas says you should ask these questions/say the following before resigning:
• How much severance will you give me in exchange for my resignation?
• If I resign, will you oppose unemployment?
• Why do you want me to resign?
• What will you say when you are called for a reference?
• I will take this and have it reviewed by my attorney before signing.
• I need this in writing.
What will be my official "reason for termination" be in your HR system as well as my paper file?
I agree 100%. You need to weigh your options carefully before agreeing to resign. Now is the time to negotiate. If they want you gone, let them pay you to go away. Otherwise, make them fire you. You need to consider the upsides and downsides to resigning versus being fired. Here are some things to consider.

Why You Shouldn’t Quit

You haven’t complained about illegal harassment or discrimination that occurred: It may be a bit late in the game, but if you didn’t follow the company’s written policy on reporting harassment based on race, age, sex, religion, national origin, disability, etc. then you may lose potential claims against the employer. Now is the time to put together your formal, written complaint of discrimination and harassment. Submit it to HR as soon after the meeting where they asked you to resign as you can. If you think the resignation request is being pushed by your harasser, say so. Tell them how others of a different race, age, sex, religion, or whatever your protected category is were treated differently. Tell them that those others are not being asked to resign. Ask them to do a prompt investigation. Sometimes, they really don’t know about the discrimination and reporting it might stop the termination process in its tracks.

They aren’t offering anything: If they don’t offer severance or some other monetary incentive, why would you quit? Don’t make it easy on them. If they want you out of there, they should offer something, in writing.

You might lose your right to unemployment benefits: Some unscrupulous employers use the resignation as an excuse to claim you aren’t entitled to unemployment. It could be your word against theirs if you don’t properly document that you were forced to resign.

They want you to sign something right away: If the employer is shoving something in front of you and demanding you sign it, consider that a red flag. They’re trying to trick you. Don’t sign anything you don’t understand or are too distraught to think about clearly. Tell them you need time to think about it. Take it to an employee-side employment lawyer if there’s anything in it you don’t fully understand.

You have claims against the company: If you think you have a discrimination, whistleblower, worker’s compensation retaliation, breach of contract or other claim against the employer, you may have leverage to negotiate a better exit package. Don’t sign a release of claims without fully exploring your options.

You aren’t fooling anyone: Some people think a resignation looks better on a resume. Maybe. But if you resign and are then unemployed for months or years, who do you think you’re fooling. Nobody in their right mind quits without having another job in this economy. HR people aren’t (mostly) dumb, so they will know something happened that prompted your resignation.

Why You Should Quit

Great severance package: If you are offered a severance package that will tide you over sufficiently when you’re looking for another job, then you might want to take the deal. Make sure you aren’t also signing away your right to work for a competitor, your pension, or something else of value. Take it to a lawyer to be sure.

Won’t challenge unemployment: In most states, the mere promise that you’ll get unemployment without a hassle isn’t much incentive. Unemployment is usually a fraction of what you were making. However, if you think they might have a basis to successfully challenge your unemployment, then you might consider the resignation as long as they make the promise about unemployment in writing.

You have an alternative: If you have a job offer you’ve been considering, have a startup company you want to spend more time on, or think it might be time to retire, then a forced resignation might help you make a smooth transition. Make sure they agree they won’t tell potential employers or customers anything other than that you left to pursue other options.

If your employer is asking you to resign, you have some power, as Suzanne Lucas points out in her excellent article. Now is the time to explore your options, talk to a lawyer, call your union rep, and read everything carefully. You may have more leverage to negotiate in this situation than you think. Good luck!




19 comments:

  1. yup, have to admit that one always brought a grin to me also. with people like that it is no wonder all of you lawyers are a member of the 1% lol

    and don't get me wrong i do believe you when you tell us you have clients say the things you say.
    have a good day, Donna. btw, how is the suit coming along on the shirt incident?

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  2. Hi Griper. The matter was resolved amicably, thank goodness. Thanks for asking!

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    1. Is this the orange/yellow (Cant remember, too lazy to google) shirt case? I'm glad to hear it.

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  3. Thank for the link and the expansion on the ideas. Yes, it always cracks me up when people are forced to resign. What are they going to do to you if you don't resign? Fire you?

    Which, in a round about way, reminds me of when I quit a job. I worked from home, but needed to come into the office to turn in my badge/laptop, etc. I was scheduled to meet with my boss on, say Wednesday, for final stuff. HR wanted me to come in on Tuesday to meet with them. It was an hour commute and I had a 4 month old, who was exclusively breastfed, so I had to arrange babysitting close to the office.

    Anyway, the HR person started to threaten me and inform me that I had no choice, I HAD TO COME MEET WITH HER ON TUESDAY!!!!

    I said, "Or what? You'll fire me?"

    Silence.

    I met with her on Wednesday after meeting with my boss.

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  4. Too funny! That's exactly right. I don't get it, but so many people do everything they are told, including giving up their job, signing noncompetes, and agreeing to arbitrate.

    My mission in life is to remind folks they have some rights (just not very many). One big right is to not quit if you don't want to or it it isn't in your best interest.

    It sounds like your old HR person was so wrapped up in power she forgot about common sense. That happens too much. Maybe between us we can help bring common sense back to HR! Thanks for writing such a terrific piece.

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    1. People give their bosses/companies waaaaaay too much power.

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  5. One more thing that cannot be emphasized enough. it is important to get everything agreed to in writing but it is also more important to write everything down yourself too just in case the employer doesn't follow through on oral promises.

    this is especially important when there are incidences like Suzanne just described. and remind them to document time and place it occurred, and to document as soon as possible after the incidences occur.

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  6. This is a really helpful site. You have some great ideas. Copyright Law

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  7. I was given the option to resign or an investigation being opened for something someone in my team did. They said I had to decide immediately, I panicked and resigned. Truth be told it is eating me up not only because it was unfair but because I missed my chance to negotiate a redundancy package. Other people made similar mistakes but I was singled out. It happened almost two months ago, is there something I can still do about it?

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    1. Hi DGWB. It might be worth speaking to an employment lawyer in your state, especially if you didn't sign a release of claims when you resigned.

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  8. I have worked for a company for about 4 years, in that time we experience rapid growth which i was directly responsible for.The GM was completely inept and lost control of the staff. People started getting terminated that shouldnt have and people that should have didnt. It resulted in a lawsuit being filed against our company in which I was called to testify to The Owner/CEO and our current HR about our GM, extensive notes were taken. I made it clear that I feared retaliation If I told the truth. Consequently nothing happened to the GM and over the past year and a half He has been incredible defensive ,vendictive and has slandered me to anyone who will listen. I have made this known to the owner on multiple occations and he promised me that he was working on a solution to the problem. In the meantime I have turned the other cheek repeatedly too many times to count. I have begged the GM for a truse, just to reduce the friction and stress and to no avail.We now have aquired a new HR person, she was interview and hired by this GM and based on her attitude towards me immedialy after she was hired I can tell that she was misinformed by the GM about me. So now I can not go to my HR with complaints as she is having an affair with another manager in our company.Recently and for no explanation I was put on a 90 probation for a "attitude" The owner stated to me that It looks as though I cant get along with The GM the HR or another manger so I must get along with everyone, because this is first and last warning. He said sign the 90 day probation paper or dont come to work on monday. I regretably signed it late Sunday night and went to work on Monday. I put in the notes field" that I would like to know what recent events I should be aware of so that I can understand what I could have done differently" I turned it in directly to the owner on Monday morning and asked him to read my comments to which he replied " the recent events are that another manager has filed a formal complaint against you." It just so happens that its the manager that we suspect is having an affair the HR person. So because I have a family to support and I dont want to quit, I put my tail between my legs and went back to work. A different manager and a friend of mine went and was speaking to the GM about our new President and the GM lost controll of himself and basically said he was going to fire me if I looked crosseyed at him. He wasnt going put up with me again. He blames everything on me and now I dont know what to do.

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    1. If you were here in Florida, and assuming your testimony involved disclosing something illegal like discrimination, I'd probably suggest you put a formal complaint of retaliation in writing to the HR person. You can't make verbal complaints, but you can certainly document what is going on. I'd definitely suggest you contact an employment attorney in your state to find out what your rights are there.

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  9. My boss has been hinting to me that I should look for another job since I've been with the company for almost 10 years and their is no growth. After a while I started to feel like she was harassing me to quit. Always asking if I liked my job and critiquing my attitude and personality. She started to make assumptions and came to her own conclusion that I was not happy. Recently she told me that things needed to change or it wasn't going to end well. After this conversation she told me that she needs an email sent to her stating a leave date or if I am staying. I was told if I choose to stay she will performance manage me and write me up for substandard job performance. I have never been written up, never received a customer complaint, and my boss once told me she is good at making people quit their jobs. At this point what are my rights?

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    1. Hi Stella Ann. I'd suggest hanging on the best you can. Polish your resume and start sending it out. In the meantime, see if you can figure out a protected category you fit into. Is she singling you out due to a disability, such as depression? Is she singling you out compared to other employees of a different race? Different sex? You get the drift. If so, start documenting and gather your evidence. Make sure you keep it at home, not at the office.

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  10. I had surgery a dew months ago and was out on disability. Since then she has been making mountains out of mole hills. My company is known to fight unemployment claims so I am worried I will lose income either way. My boss actually told me that I have a great resume and will have no problem finding something.

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  11. If you’re confused about why your employer is telling you to resign, you must immediately call for the help of an attorney. Don’t sign any agreement. Clarify everything first with your employer, and tell everything to your attorney. You should also give your attorney a copy of your contract, so he/she will know the terms and conditions of your employment. Let the attorney discuss everything about what you can do on this matter. You have the right to say no as an employee.

    >Cade Culpepper

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  12. Some employers force people to resign due to the company’s bankruptcy or they’re either overstaffed. If that is the case, I think sometimes it is okay resign, but only if you are compensated for the services you have given to the company. However, I suggest that it is best to seek the advice of an employment lawyer to help you decide and maybe to explain the terms of your resignation.

    Mike Clark

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  13. I've been with a company, non profit, for over 24 years, but have been off work for 6 months due to an MVA accident 9 months ago. After the accident I worked 3 months, however difficult and due to FML form, they wouldn't let me work until I was fully released. My doctor wouldn't do that. I am still under doctors care and they won't release me 100%, because of the lifting, bending, twisting, standing long periods or sitting long periods - I just can not do it. I had a call stating they could not longer hold my job, then near the end of the conversation they say something like 'so you agree to resign'.. WHAT???! I knew that the FML was good for only 3 months (federal/state protection). They have gone an additional 3 months. I believe they could hold it longer, considering my length with job and because I was a good employee (mgt -18 years and staff 6 yrs). For several reasons I won't resign, many you listed, although they said they are putting down I will be rehire status, and they don't think I would have a problem with unemployment because it's medical... hah! I am also in the middle of things with the auto insurance.... I love my job, but know they have been getting rid of people just prior to me leaving, and since my absence with any length of time there.. 'reorganizing' hiring people new people or putting people in similar positions with less time/less pay.
    I have the legal insurance I have paid for through my employer do you know if they offer help in this area? It's through Hyatt Legal Plans. Thanks.

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